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Post  sploenk on Tue Oct 30, 2012 7:14 pm

CHILDREN MIGHT PLAY HERE!!!

[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Wed Oct 31 02:09:47] Mad Allendry: They collapsed ... like nuns in the street ... they had no teen appeal!
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Wed Oct 31 02:09:56] Mad Allendry: I'm sitting on my SPEED QUEEN ... To me, it's ENJOYABLE ... I'm WARM ... I'm VIBRATORY ...
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Wed Oct 31 02:10:03] Mad Allendry: someone in DAYTON, Ohio is selling USED CARPETS to a SERBO-CROATIAN
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Wed Oct 31 02:10:10] Mad Allendry: I'm in direct contact with many advanced fun CONCEPTS.
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Wed Oct 31 02:10:17] Mad Allendry: I want to read my new poem about pork brains and outer space ...
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Wed Oct 31 02:10:24] Mad Allendry: When this load is DONE I think I'll wash it AGAIN ...
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Wed Oct 31 02:10:28] Uglack : [Tell] ok well... there is an aure of dread or depression, whatever you wanna call it, around uglack currently and the closer you are to him, the stronger it feels, and the shadows around uglack are different too...
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Wed Oct 31 02:10:31] Mad Allendry: What I need is a MATURE RELATIONSHIP with a FLOPPY DISK ...
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Wed Oct 31 02:10:37] Mad Allendry: Gibble, Gobble, we ACCEPT YOU ...
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Wed Oct 31 02:10:44] Mad Allendry: I would like to urinate in an OVULAR, porcelain pool --
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Wed Oct 31 02:10:51] Mad Allendry: SHHHH!! I hear SIX TATTOOED TRUCK-DRIVERS tossing ENGINE BLOCKS into empty OIL DRUMS ...
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Wed Oct 31 02:10:57] Mad Allendry: Reality distorts my sense of television.
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Wed Oct 31 02:11:04] Mad Allendry: My LESLIE GORE record is BROKEN ...
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Wed Oct 31 02:11:10] Mad Allendry: Now KEN and BARBIE are PERMANENTLY ADDICTED to MIND-ALTERING DRUGS ...
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Wed Oct 31 02:11:17] Mad Allendry: Frivolity is a stern taskmaster.
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Wed Oct 31 02:11:24] Mad Allendry: I'm sitting on my SPEED QUEEN ... To me, it's ENJOYABLE ... I'm WARM ... I'm VIBRATORY ...
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Wed Oct 31 02:11:31] Mad Allendry: I would like to urinate in an OVULAR, porcelain pool --
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Wed Oct 31 02:11:38] Mad Allendry: Now I'm having INSIPID THOUGHTS about the beautiful, round wives of HOLLYWOOD MOVIE MOGULS encased in PLEXIGLASS CARS and being approached by SMALL BOYS selling FRUIT ...
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Wed Oct 31 02:11:44] Mad Allendry: over in west Philadelphia a puppy is vomiting ...
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Wed Oct 31 02:11:51] Mad Allendry: Hmmm ... A hash-singer and a cross-eyed guy were SLEEPING on a deserted island, when ...
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Wed Oct 31 02:11:58] Mad Allendry: I want to read my new poem about pork brains and outer space ...
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Wed Oct 31 02:12:05] Mad Allendry: -- I love KATRINKA because she drives a PONTIAC. We're going away now. I fed the cat.
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Wed Oct 31 02:12:12] Mad Allendry: When I met th'POPE back in '58, I scrubbed him with a MILD SOAP or DETERGENT for 15 minutes. He seemed to enjoy it ...
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Wed Oct 31 02:12:19] Mad Allendry: I'm a fuschia bowling ball somewhere in Brittany
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Wed Oct 31 02:12:26] Mad Allendry: Frivolity is a stern taskmaster.

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Re: THIS IS NOT OKAY!!!

Post  GM_ODA on Wed Oct 31, 2012 5:21 am

Sploenk,
I read the lines cited in your post and did not find any text that that could not run on a broadcast television show. None of the 'seven words' were used. There are a few very oblique references to adult activities, but again, nothing overtly sexual do I see there. If I missed some specific offensive bit in there please do let me know. Being oblique references, one would have to already know about adult topics to suss the text... hence it might make adults smile and not much else I would hope.

I should point out that Mad Allendry IS mad. And there is an in-game reason he is mad and talking in this fashion.

Be well. Game on.
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P.S. The quote below was cleaned a little to remove one line NOT by allendry and to remove repeated lines. Please feel free (everyone) to indicate which if any of these lines should be removed and why. Thank you for your feedback. Also, if anyone would like to write more 'insane' lines for Allendry to speak, let me know.

sploenk wrote:CHILDREN MIGHT PLAY HERE!!!

[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Wed Oct 31 02] Mad Allendry: They collapsed ... like nuns in the street ... they had no teen appeal!
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Wed Oct 31 02] Mad Allendry: I'm sitting on my SPEED QUEEN ... To me, it's ENJOYABLE ... I'm WARM ... I'm VIBRATORY ...
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Wed Oct 31 02] Mad Allendry: someone in DAYTON, Ohio is selling USED CARPETS to a SERBO-CROATIAN
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Wed Oct 31 02] Mad Allendry: I'm in direct contact with many advanced fun CONCEPTS.
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Wed Oct 31 02] Mad Allendry: I want to read my new poem about pork brains and outer space ...
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Wed Oct 31 02] Mad Allendry: When this load is DONE I think I'll wash it AGAIN ...
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Wed Oct 31 02] Mad Allendry: What I need is a MATURE RELATIONSHIP with a FLOPPY DISK ...
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Wed Oct 31 02] Mad Allendry: Gibble, Gobble, we ACCEPT YOU ...
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Wed Oct 31 02] Mad Allendry: I would like to urinate in an OVULAR, porcelain pool --
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Wed Oct 31 02] Mad Allendry: SHHHH!! I hear SIX TATTOOED TRUCK-DRIVERS tossing ENGINE BLOCKS into empty OIL DRUMS ...
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Wed Oct 31 02] Mad Allendry: Reality distorts my sense of television.
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Wed Oct 31 02] Mad Allendry: My LESLIE GORE record is BROKEN ...
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Wed Oct 31 02] Mad Allendry: Now KEN and BARBIE are PERMANENTLY ADDICTED to MIND-ALTERING DRUGS ...
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Wed Oct 31 02] Mad Allendry: Frivolity is a stern taskmaster.
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Wed Oct 31 02] Mad Allendry: Now I'm having INSIPID THOUGHTS about the beautiful, round wives of HOLLYWOOD MOVIE MOGULS encased in PLEXIGLASS CARS and being approached by SMALL BOYS selling FRUIT ...
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Wed Oct 31 02] Mad Allendry: over in west Philadelphia a puppy is vomiting ...
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Wed Oct 31 02] Mad Allendry: Hmmm ... A hash-singer and a cross-eyed guy were SLEEPING on a deserted island, when ...
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Wed Oct 31 02] Mad Allendry: -- I love KATRINKA because she drives a PONTIAC. We're going away now. I fed the cat.
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Wed Oct 31 02] Mad Allendry: When I met th'POPE back in '58, I scrubbed him with a MILD SOAP or DETERGENT for 15 minutes. He seemed to enjoy it ...
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Wed Oct 31 02] Mad Allendry: I'm a fuschia bowling ball somewhere in Brittany
[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Wed Oct 31 02] Mad Allendry: Frivolity is a stern taskmaster.
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Re: THIS IS NOT OKAY!!!

Post  Orinai on Wed Oct 31, 2012 7:20 am

@spol hey im not trying to offend or anything, but thanks for posting that... i laughed a good one
"[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Wed Oct 31 02:11:44] Mad Allendry: over in west Philadelphia a puppy is vomiting" that one woke my daughetr up when i read it....

but seriously, i dont see anything too terribly wrong any of it. worth a good laugh IMO.

i forgot all about him, im going to have to hang out sometime Laughing

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Re: THIS IS NOT OKAY!!!

Post  Animayhem on Wed Oct 31, 2012 10:25 am

What is not ok is using any of the seven. Lately I have seen in ooc messages in party or shout.

Yes we can get frustrated and irritated but we need to maintain some decorum.

Other worlds use terms like shiat,farg,arse,bastage,etc.

Using simularities in context in character is fine as long as it is not overused and you use things like S*** or F*** though they should seldom be used.

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Re: THIS IS NOT OKAY!!!

Post  Valerion on Wed Oct 31, 2012 10:37 am

Guys you would be shocked about german TV and, cussing is not that unusable here and HOW we cuss....holy moly^^
I need to learn to cuss medieval-like, I can do it in german but not really in Roleplay.
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Re: THIS IS NOT OKAY!!!

Post  sploenk on Thu Nov 01, 2012 12:42 pm

it's not the words, but the context they refer too like 'television', 'truck drivers', etc that are not known in this world's vocabulary...it kinda breaks the illusion of being In Character.

I'm not a reformed/conservative religeon kinda guy, so don't get me wrong, i don't care about 'bad' words, i'm from holland and we can say whatever we want, but what she says isn't in line with the module, it kinda "breaks the spell"

just my 2 cents

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Re: THIS IS NOT OKAY!!!

Post  BobbyBrown15 on Thu Nov 01, 2012 1:21 pm

the guy is mean to sound like a lunatic, if anyone form that time period heard him saying those things, wopuldn;t you think he was crazy?
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Post  GM_ODA on Thu Nov 01, 2012 2:15 pm

sploenk wrote:it's not the words, but the context they refer too like 'television', 'truck drivers', etc that are not known in this world's vocabulary...it kinda breaks the illusion of being In Character.

I'm not a reformed/conservative religeon kinda guy, so don't get me wrong, i don't care about 'bad' words, i'm from holland and we can say whatever we want, but what she says isn't in line with the module, it kinda "breaks the spell"

just my 2 cents

I intentionally left that vocabulary in there - I understand it may seem RP 'breaking' but there is an in-game reason that the npc speaks this way. This is one of many very subtle features that taken in total point to something kinda big and ominous ... so even tho he seems out of place, bear with it, watch for other incongruities, and start connecting the dots is my best advice.

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P.S. I understand your initial concern with the vocabulary, it IS very jarringly out of the norm.
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Post  Shar on Thu Nov 01, 2012 7:05 pm

Oda i am going to have to side with sploenk on this.. I don't go in town much in game but i wanted to see what was up with this and frankly i am very insulted. You have said many times how the server is to remain nutural from real world politics ,grudges and issues. yet after I went to see what was being said the npc was going on in some sort of anti-catholic phrases.

First off i AM catholic!

i don't know what religion you are, or if you are even religious but i have always given due respect to people on this server and i had thought that you were willing to do the same. I will post again later when i have calmed a bit. i am very unnerved by this.
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Post  GM_ODA on Fri Nov 02, 2012 12:18 am

Take a step back for a moment and look at it long-wise.

The character speaks in disjointed bits, as if he cannot complete a thought without some unrelated material being inserted. This use of absurdity by juxtaposition of unrelated or even conflicting ideas is common in humor. In the citation given only two lines seem remotely related to anything Catholic.

Mad Allenby: "They collapsed ... like nuns in the street ... they had no teen appeal!"

Note that Catholicism does not have a lock on the word 'nun' as this entry from wikipedia shows:

"A nun is a woman who has taken vows committing her life to her religion.[1] She may be a woman who decided to dedicate her life to serving all other living beings, or to be an ascetic who voluntarily chooses to leave mainstream society and live her life in prayer and contemplation in a monastery or convent. The term "nun" is applicable to Catholics – both eastern and western traditions – Orthodox Christians, Anglicans, Lutherans, Jains, Buddhists, Taoists, and Hindus."

In a game world where there are many gods and many traditions, it is not far fetched to presume one could find 'nuns' serving some religion in such a setting. In the quote from Mad Allenby, they are not disparaged, but used like a yardstick to measure something, in this case a 'lack of teen appeal'. Face it, unless Justin Beiber becomes a nun, it is a true statement.

Mad Allenby: "When I met th'POPE back in '58, I scrubbed him with a MILD SOAP or DETERGENT for 15 minutes. He seemed to enjoy it ..."

The second quote from Mad Allenby which is listed above refers to a pope. Nothing disparaging about the pope in the quote, it refers to the pope being 'scrubbed with a mild soap or detergent for 15 minutes - this is nothing disparaging really. In some RL sects foot-washing is still observed. In a fantasy world there might be cleansing rituals observed too. Lastly and again, Catholicism does not have a lock on this term - according to m-w.com (merriam-webster dictionary)

1 often capitalized : a prelate who as bishop of Rome is the head of the Roman Catholic Church
2 : one that resembles a pope (as in authority)
3
a : the Eastern Orthodox or Coptic patriarch of Alexandria
b : a priest of an Eastern church

Word Origin : Middle English, from Old English pāpa, from Late Latin papa, from Greek pappas, papas, title of bishops, literally, papa
First Known Use: before 12th century

In RL the Coptic church is currently electing their own Pope.

There is intended no offense in any of that - it is done both in 'humor attempt' and to emphasize the oddness of Allenby. I weighed the text in allenby's set - but would be willing to let others review it too - I don't recall instances that disparage any RL religion or political body directly, and will remove any should they be found in there. Note Allenby goes through his set of statements in a randomized fashion, so the phrases could be in any order, and some even get repeated (rarely).

DMs please note there are additional details in the DM boards.

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Post  Valerion on Fri Nov 02, 2012 4:39 am

After his I will NEVER start an argument with you ODA...I would get SO deconstructed XD
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Post  Shar on Fri Nov 02, 2012 5:53 am

Oda i know the root of the word, and i know the history. HOWEVER, the statement was directed contextually at THE Pope which is a reference used exclusively for Romes bishop when in common speech. The Orthodox church uses the term "Patriarch" to distinguish themselves from the pope in Rome (i have family in the Orthodox church so i know this to be the case). yes the term "NUN" is used in every christian sect (that i know of) and many other religions as well. That being the case makes the insult even more broadly applicable. You can call the statement a yardstick but that's not even the problem, its a matter of being respectful.

Secondly, a dictionary or encyclopedia can refer to whatever it wants (Wikipedia even more so) but to reference an example you gave me on another topic; if you walked down the street and said something about "the pope" who do you think people believe you are referring to? as i said the Orthodox church called there leader the patriarch, and i have never even heard of the Coptics. (no offence to any members of it i just really haven't heard of it)

Oda i have held back things of lesser importance because that's what they were. lesser importance. When i get on i leave my RL grudges and any political view out of the game. however if are going to insult my religion; or ANY religion here for that matter, be it individually or collectively than i cant abide it and will leave. I cannot and will not be a part of a server that is going to do that.

I cant see it as being so hard to change what is said by an NPC that you are willing to leave it there even when it insults your playerbase and I am asking you to do nothing that you havent expected of any DM or player. Leave RL in RL.

Please change the statements made or remove the NPC out of the same respect that we show you.
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Re: THIS IS NOT OKAY!!!

Post  Valerion on Fri Nov 02, 2012 7:14 am

Should I pick up all the indirect insults that a pagan like me could direct to his religion?
There are more than enough references that could insult several pagan beliefs and nature religions in almost any kind of Roleplaying game, may it be IC or OOC context.

Its a game, with an NPC saying random stupid brabble, now I ask you Shar....would you listen to a madman brabbling bull**** about a religion or just shrug and go on because YOU KNOW BETTER, seriously, the only one harmed by this is who lets it harm himself so....*shrugs* I just do not see any problem in a madman brabbling cr** with random phrases, I even showed that phrase to a nun I know and she laughed her a** off and only said "Well thats some kind of humor" catholic nun btw.

And I honestly see no actual insult in those sentences, scrubbing the pope, I mean, the older that guy gets one day he might even need it, saying this as one who already had work placements in daycare for elderly people.
And then when you refer it to something like cleaning rituals, oh hey, it actually makes sense and is a sign of respect or even worship....*not that knowing about those rituals*

If I would take off like a rocket about every insult, denouncation, and cr**, that is told and done to some natural religions, pagan beliefs, rites, people, and so on....and then even take random phrases by madmen or an NPC of a game...gosh I would not have any more hair.

To be honest, I understand ODAs post and take his "side" as you stated it as if we were in a war...or did I misunderstand it, still german and having problems with the language context sometimes.

After all, if someone talks bulls*** about facts, I tell him the truth to set him right, if someone just says something like those sentences of mad allendry I quirk a brow and smile walking on, because I would think "Yeah whatever, that made no sense at all/you have no idea, I know better and show the truth, issue solved"
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Post  GM_ODA on Fri Nov 02, 2012 8:59 am

The word pope is derived ultimately from the Greek πάππας[1] (pappas[2]) originally an affectionate term meaning "father", later referring to a bishop or patriarch.[3] The earliest record of the use of this title is in regard to the Patriarch of Alexandria, Pope Heraclas of Alexandria (232–248)[4][5] in a letter written by his successor, Pope Dionysius of Alexandria, to Philemon, a Roman presbyter:

τοῦτον ἐγὼ τὸν κανόνα καὶ τὸν τύπον παρὰ τοῦ μακαρίου πάπα ἡμῶν Ἡρακλᾶ παρέλαβον.[6]

Which translates into:

I received this rule and ordinance from our blessed father/pope, Heraclas.[7][8]

From the early 3rd century the title was applied generically to all bishops.[9][10] The earliest extant record of the word papa being used in reference to a Bishop of Rome dates to late 3rd century, when it was applied to Pope Marcellinus.[11]

Above taken from wikipedia - citation




Friend Shar,

We, here in the USA have a President. Some other countries also have a President. It is equally proper to refer to ANY President as 'the President', where necessary adding any needed specificity such as "the President of the United States of America" or "the President of the corporation" or "the President of Iran". I can point to a large number of articles starting with wiki articles that detail several religious groups who select a 'pope'.

You recently wrote:

Shar wrote:Oda i know the root of the word, and i know the history. HOWEVER, the statement was directed contextually at THE Pope which is a reference used exclusively for Romes bishop when in common speech. The Orthodox church uses the term "Patriarch" to distinguish themselves from the pope in Rome (i have family in the Orthodox church so i know this to be the case). yes the term "NUN" is used in every christian sect (that i know of) and many other religions as well. That being the case makes the insult even more broadly applicable. You can call the statement a yardstick but that's not even the problem, its a matter of being respectful.

Secondly, a dictionary or encyclopedia can refer to whatever it wants (Wikipedia even more so) but to reference an example you gave me on another topic; if you walked down the street and said something about "the pope" who do you think people believe you are referring to? as i said the Orthodox church called there leader the patriarch, and i have never even heard of the Coptics. (no offence to any members of it i just really haven't heard of it)

I will open by stating that if you don't like Wikipedia that is OK, but you need to supply some point of reference beyond your own personal opinion if you want to debate the issue. Again, you seem to be getting nettled by the use of a word you are unaccustomed to - but note this is a word used outside of YOUR church, used by other churches LONGER than YOUR church has existed. On that simple historic basis, Catholicism cannot claim ownership of the word 'pope'.

I understand that in your experience the word has been used exclusively to apply to your RL Church's highest office. Your understanding is limited and there are ample references out there (google some) that are not wiki which concur on the point of the word origin and the word use for 'pope'. Simple facts are, if you were in Egypt and used the the phrase "the pope" in public many if not most would think you referred to the Coptic Pope. Those locals would be equally capable of misunderstanding the use as you are here. CONTEXT is the key. Mad Allenby is not someone you met on the streets of RL New York City, where it would be appropriate to presume that the pope referred to would be the one you (and predominantly the majority of the locals in NYC) associate with the highest authority in ROME, in fact the Catholic Pope. Mad Allenby you meet in the fantasy city of Dohral, from where your PC could place their feet on any road and you would KNOW that that road does NOT lead to Rome.

POPE (disambiguation)

It opens with a simple statement of historic fact :

Pope is a religious title (see Pope (word)) traditionally accorded to the Bishop of Alexandria (origin) and the Bishop of Rome, as well as several other religious figures.

When, in the game, I use the term "the Queen" I am NOT referring to the Queen of anyplace you have ever actually been. Rather I refer to the personage locally known as 'the Queen". When, in the game, I use the title "the Pope" I am NOT referring to the Pope of any church you could actually join. When choosing words, I am generally very careful - people from all over the world could log in and in many cases English may not be their first language - so I pick words carefully to ensure the broadest possible audience understanding what is being communicated. In most RL cultures the term 'pope' is recognized to represent the highest office in a religious order (some may think of the fellow in Rome, others may think of the fellow in Cairo, others in Alexandria, or even elsewhere - but the majority take the word pope to mean 'top office' of a religious order). I could have used any number of synonyms; thesaurus.com lists the following:

pope  [pohp] ...
Synonyms: ablegate, bishop of rome, legate, nuncio, otho, papacy, paparchy, pontifex maximus.

Why did I not use one of the synonyms? 'Ablegate' would be lost on most readers. 'Bishop of Rome' was certainly NOT the subject I was referring to and hence would only confuse readers. 'Legate', 'Nuncio', and 'Otho' are words whose meanings are not widely known in the audience and so would lack the level of familiarity desired in the phrases Mad Allenby blurts out. 'Papacy' and 'Paparchy' were wrong word-forms for the sentence. Lastly 'Pontifex Maximus' is latin, and while it might be widely used to refer to the top job in any Roman temple, it is a lost language to the average reader and is overly long.

You will find in most cases, I try to use vocabulary that is short and whose meanings are widely held (by this I mean globally). In general, I try to write at the same level as a newspaper - and while I am capable of much broader vocabulary, I try to target the "least common denominator" of a very broad audience.

Oda i have held back things of lesser importance because that's what they were. lesser importance. When i get on i leave my RL grudges and any political view out of the game. however if are going to insult my religion; or ANY religion here for that matter, be it individually or collectively than i cant abide it and will leave. I cannot and will not be a part of a server that is going to do that.

I will here request you expand. How EXACTLY did I "insult your religion"? Is it forbidden to suggest that the Pope bathes? I'd never heard of such a thing but if you can point me to a credible reference on the web to such a thing I'll concede the point. Honestly, the Catholic Pope that you refer to actually HAS a personal valet, butlers, and in fact a complete staff for the support of menial tasks. I can rest comfortably with the notion that the fellow in that position is aided in all his mundane tasks. Heck, elderly people outside religious orders also are known to have bathing assistance. I am being intentionally dis-respectful to nobody in making these statements. These are simple factual statements. I will ask again, specifically, what do you find so offensive in Mad Allenby's speech?



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Re: THIS IS NOT OKAY!!!

Post  autokilla on Fri Nov 02, 2012 6:27 pm

sploenk wrote:[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Wed Oct 31 02] Mad Allendry: over in west Philadelphia a puppy is vomiting ...


yeah umm... i say you remove this guy from the server as soon as you possibly can or i will start going to the city just to kill this guy and ill make sure he stays that way, ill do it every single day as long as there is any chance he still says anything about dogs in any way like -this-. i also request you remove anything that others may think has anything to do with their religion because that's just not cool... at all... this guy should either be deleted for good from the server or you should have a thread as to what you think he should say first BEFORE you put that wording in to see what others think of it and if enough people take any offense to it or someone takes major offense to it then it should -not- be used in the server otherwise people might start quitting the server and giving it a bad reputation, and im guessing you wouldn't want that at all... am i right?

comments please on my idea about a thread for what mad allendry says? i think it may be the only idea involving him to offend no one on the whole server

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Re: THIS IS NOT OKAY!!!

Post  GM_ODA on Fri Nov 02, 2012 7:31 pm

autokilla wrote:
sploenk wrote:[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Wed Oct 31 02] Mad Allendry: over in west Philadelphia a puppy is vomiting ...


yeah umm... i say you remove this guy from the server as soon as you possibly can or i will start going to the city just to kill this guy and ill make sure he stays that way, ill do it every single day as long as there is any chance he still says anything about dogs in any way like -this-. i also request you remove anything that others may think has anything to do with their religion because that's just not cool... at all... this guy should either be deleted for good from the server or you should have a thread as to what you think he should say first BEFORE you put that wording in to see what others think of it and if enough people take any offense to it or someone takes major offense to it then it should -not- be used in the server otherwise people might start quitting the server and giving it a bad reputation, and im guessing you wouldn't want that at all... am i right?

comments please on my idea about a thread for what mad allendry says? i think it may be the only idea involving him to offend no one on the whole server

First off, get a grip on it. In real life, puppies vomit all the time all over the world, that and poop on your carpet and eat your shoes is what puppies do. Get over it. This is just simple humor. Get over it, comedians tell jokes involving puppies all the time - NOTHING in the text advocates any harm. The puppies joke stays.

Second off, there are NO intentional jabs at ANY real world religion here. I work hard to keep the material in this module very neutral and non-offensive. The 'mad allenby' was originally taken from the vault and edited to remove possibly offensive comments (yeah, he was more controversial before I started working on it). In the process of that edit I missed ONE reference to Catholicism (a comment involving Allenby being a catholic schoolgirl wearing allenby's clothes) - once alerted to the missed edit, I did remove it for just 'schoolgirl' which was sufficiently funny in context.

In case you did not read the posts above, the word 'pope' is not exclusive to any religion and since it refers to the apex cleric of an order in a generic sense 'pope' will continue to be used (the use here is not specific to any RL religion it is used generically, though it may soon be modified to clearly mark it as NOT a comment on any specific pope or religion).

If you have NOT been reading the thread fully, I AM seeking more "strange one liners" for that NPC to say. There is a reason the NPC is here, the NPC stays.

Be well. Game on.
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Post  Shar on Fri Nov 02, 2012 7:46 pm

We, here in the USA have a President. Some other countries also have a President. It is equally proper to refer to ANY President as 'the President', where necessary adding any needed specificity such as "the President of the United States of America" or "the President of the corporation" or "the President of Iran". I can point to a large number of articles starting with wiki articles that detail several religious groups who select a 'pope'.

The "president" of something is a secular figure which adds to the broadness of the term. Oda, I dont feel that i should have to justify myself here and i am only asking that you eliminate real life religious references that are easy to associate with a specific real life person, faith or faith group. is that really so much to ask?

I spoke to Melinda about this before and i will say the same thing i told them. Lets assume for a moment that you are correct. that everything is just being taken out of context and that i am simply overreacting to some random typing you did. Why then is it so important to have those specific lines in there if they offend someone? I am not saying to get rid of the NPC or even the seemingly ooc nature of his being.. just any references to religion.

after all if its just gibberish meant to make him sound mad then why is it so important to make those references knowing that it offends even a part of the player-base? I have stated that i respect you and everyone here. i leave RL issues and views in RL when i go in game and all i ask is to be given the same respect that i offer; and even if you didn't intend to insult anyone someone was insulted by the things said. being just how importent religion is to many people, Shouldn't that be enough?

(the use here is not specific to any RL religion it is used generically, though it may soon be modified to clearly mark it as NOT a comment on any specific pope or religion).

i would appreciate that greatly.
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Post  heather on Fri Nov 02, 2012 7:57 pm

is kind of hard to deal with this thread without being insulting even though don't mean to at all... please put a little notification if you are joking or if you are actually serious? not sure if people are recognizing the MAD portion of Allendry, meaning he is crazy if not completely insane... a lot of stuff is meant to be weird, strange or just completely not make sense, it may be possible for there to be insults but they are in no way purposefully meant to be an insult by the mindset of someone who is insane... and even with me just saying that i'm worried I may actually insult other people who may have issues or disabilities at all irl...

but just want to try to clarify that anything that Allendry says is not meant to be purposefully insulting, he's mostly meant to rant about random things and if it helps an npc introduction thread could be started up for any NPCs that anyone is unsure of or would like to know a little more about them for their interactions... I did take this thread to be a joke at first until recently, mostly because over the subject NPC myself...

sorry if any of this came out insulting to anyone too...

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Re: THIS IS NOT OKAY!!!

Post  autokilla on Fri Nov 02, 2012 8:15 pm

the last thing i'll say on here is... if any jokes consisting of anything bad about puppies or any kind of dog no matter how bad it is i will make a personal trip to this allendry f**k and f**king murder him then switch to another char so i dont get attacked by everyone or option 2... i just stop coming all together because i will -not- play on a server where anything bad to any degree is even spoken by a npc not being controlled by a dm about dogs with anything bad happens to them, even if its just a cold especially if its supposed to be "funny" cause if that's your definition of funny then your crazy and i shouldn't have played on here to begin with... i don't even care what his back story is to being f**king insane, i wont let any harmful puppy jokes go on while i still play on here

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Re: THIS IS NOT OKAY!!!

Post  Animayhem on Fri Nov 02, 2012 8:32 pm

autokilla wrote:
sploenk wrote:[CHAT WINDOW TEXT] [Wed Oct 31 02] Mad Allendry: over in west Philadelphia a puppy is vomiting ...


yeah umm... i say you remove this guy from the server as soon as you possibly can or i will start going to the city just to kill this guy and ill make sure he stays that way, ill do it every single day as long as there is any chance he still says anything about dogs in any way like -this-. i also request you remove anything that others may think has anything to do with their religion because that's just not cool... at all... this guy should either be deleted for good from the server or you should have a thread as to what you think he should say first BEFORE you put that wording in to see what others think of it and if enough people take any offense to it or someone takes major offense to it then it should -not- be used in the server otherwise people might start quitting the server and giving it a bad reputation, and im guessing you wouldn't want that at all... am i right?

comments please on my idea about a thread for what mad allendry says? i think it may be the only idea involving him to offend no one on the whole server

The only way is to have a blank server with no npc's what so ever. Everyone on this server may be offended by what is done or said here but does not take it personally. Animals get sick , this is not real life, his ramblings are random. To many this world and others like it are an abomination evil etc.

Look at it this way, He is an equal opportunity offender, a bad comic. As for relgious aspects all faiths have been subjected to criticisim, if you are strong in your faith, you know the things are not true and your god knows your heart. I was raised a Roman Catholic even had an uncle who was a Bishop. I am what you would call a spiritualist I guess the closest things in modern terminology would be the concept of the Force as all things have energy and we are connected. I may not agree with peoples relgious or personal or polticial views, but I accept them. I would rather live in a world of differences than we all be the same.

Please as Oda says step back and view the statements. The character does not mention any player by there character name, it is just a random script. If it is your character's in game attitude to do so then do it, but to do it for occ reasons.....

I would suggest that if you do have strong objections back them up and send a private pm to Oda. Very Happy

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Post  Shar on Fri Nov 02, 2012 8:47 pm

Oda has agreed to Change the religious lines to be a bit more obscure so that they can not be mistaken for real life religions or religious figures.

That resolves my issues and it was good of him to be understanding when it came down to it.
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Re: THIS IS NOT OKAY!!!

Post  autokilla on Fri Nov 02, 2012 10:17 pm

i would mention why i don't want that puppy joke on anymore but the memory of thinking back on it is just too painful... i would rather not talk about it to most people on here and if i -had- to it would be in pm only, i just don't want any bad things what-so-ever about puppies or dogs because it reminds me of my puppy and dog i used to have... something terrible happened and that's all i'll say on a public thread on this subject but i was serious earlier when i said i might quit altogether or just kill him when i can if that puppy joke stays on, i don't care if its any other kind of animal because the only kind i truly like is dogs... and i honestly don't think it makes sense to make some people possibly leave the server just for a stupid and sick joke

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Post  BobbyBrown15 on Fri Nov 02, 2012 10:19 pm

OK, i have something to say here, i myself could care less about what allendry says, what i care about is how people react to it, i am up for him being altered/removed, but that not "my" issue here, its how most of you choose to go about it, your acting like ODA has personally insulted you from what i can see, and that is what is NOT OKAY, i have seen profanity and venom being spit in this thread by more than 1 person. so i have a few points to make.

1. ODA said he got allendry from somewhere else and dumbed him down, sure he missed a few things, BUT HE TRIED. he does not want to offend anyone, he has made this clear, yet some of you are acting like he meant to.

2. I would like to point out that before someone actually bothered to pay attention to him, no one gave even a penny to what he had to say. This server is a great place, yet now a giant debate and fuss is brought about from 1 thing so small. I understand some of the things he says are offensive, i was technically forced to listen to him by shar, i also forgive him for that incident since i can see where he is coming from. The thing thats got me in a fuss is how you are all treating ODA, instead of asking him in a polite and respectable manner, some of you are yelling at him and basically demanding him to change it, of course he is gonna act defensive to such advances.

3. this is meant to be a request to all players
calm down
this may be offensive to some or most but getting steamed and ranting in here is not gonna help anyone, a request has already been made to have a list made of rants that everyone would find acceptable, so completely deleting him is not necessary, and threatening to kill him over and over IG will not solve the problem either, respectfully asking ODA or Eriniel to alter him is the way to go, not the way people have been acting in this thread.

I personally request that before ANYONE makes another post in here to think carefully about what they type, to see it is if not respectful, at least politefully angry.

Thats not my 2 cents by the way, thats my 2 grand.

and for what its worth Autokilla, sorry for whatever it is that happened.
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Post  Badgers_Revolt on Fri Nov 02, 2012 11:38 pm

Going on Bobbys post, it is always the wiser to state a change respectfully. Not by yelling at one another. That is the one thing that tears community's apart. Nothing will be changed when the person wishing it changed asks it to be changed so aggressively. It would be like Bane screaming in your face to put a shirt on. Your likely to scream back.

As, to elaborate. Here are some quotes from some famous historical figures.

Be calm in arguing; for fierceness makes error a fault, and truth discourtesy.
George Herbert

"Arguments are like fire-arms which a man may keep at home but should not carry about with him."
Samuel Butler

Anyone can become angry. That is easy. But
to be angry with the right person, to the right
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and in the right way... that is not easy.
-- Aristotle.

Anger is an acid that can do more harm to the vessel in which it is stored than to anything on which it is poured.
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Anger is the enemy of non-violence and pride is a monster that swallows it up.
Mahatma Gandhi

Please, realize. Last we wish is to argue with you guys. And, everyone here is extremely reasonable, and willing to fix things. But, one cannot chop a snakes tail off, and hope not to get bit. Take a deep breathe and post as you were speaking wit friends. As that is what we all are.

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Re: THIS IS NOT OKAY!!!

Post  GM_ODA on Sat Nov 03, 2012 6:21 am

autokilla wrote:the last thing i'll say on here is... if any jokes consisting of anything bad about puppies or any kind of dog no matter how bad it is i will make a personal trip to this allendry f**k and f**king murder him then switch to another char so i dont get attacked by everyone or option 2... i just stop coming all together because i will -not- play on a server where anything bad to any degree is even spoken by a npc not being controlled by a dm about dogs with anything bad happens to them, even if its just a cold especially if its supposed to be "funny" cause if that's your definition of funny then your crazy and i shouldn't have played on here to begin with... i don't even care what his back story is to being f**king insane, i wont let any harmful puppy jokes go on while i still play on here

I will tell you once more. Get over it. Puppies vomit. If this bothers you so much you are FAR TOO IMMATURE TO PLAY HERE and I recomend you leave now and do not come back until you are ready to be an adult about this. If I or any of my DMs see you acting in such an OOC manner, the BAN HAMMER AWAITS. You are being utterly STUPID about this puppies joke. Grow up or get the F* out NOW.

Perhaps when you have grown up and have children of your own and their puppy leaves a cold pile of puke that you barefoot step into - maybe then you'll understand - these things happen, it is life and we suffer such things for children like you. THAT is funny; cause if you don't chuckle, you'll yell and wake the family.

Further, we have wolves and dogs on this server, sometimes they get killed. If you are so immature about such things, you can take your leave now.

Be well. Game on.
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