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Post  sploenk on Sat Oct 12, 2013 5:45 pm

Today i was bored and took a quick route into the troll caves for some hack and slash, using knowledge my pc didn't have (taking shortcuts, jumping over traps i didn't spot), and i was slain by a DM for doing so i think. I didn't get an explanation, it was just an execution...

...but i wanted to say that it was right to do so, i was wrong playing like that, and being bored is no excuse for metagaming...so hereby i offer my appologies.

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Post  BobbyBrown15 on Sat Oct 12, 2013 10:02 pm

no DM should kill your character just for that, while yes it was metagaming, they should have confronted you, not DM killed you, it may have been a wildmagic affect, if it was a DM, they need to be more confrontational than a quick trigger finger
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Post  Shar on Sun Oct 13, 2013 10:12 am

Well i wasn't on then so it wasn't me. Sounds like it wasn't BB either.

your sure your pc didn't just fall into the pit or something?
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Post  DM Drachen on Sun Oct 13, 2013 12:44 pm

That is a little extreme. You would think they would have at least mentioned something to you.
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Post  Animayhem on Sun Oct 13, 2013 1:15 pm

Yes a warning would have been fair and maybe a port out of the place.
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Post  Valerion on Sun Oct 13, 2013 1:45 pm

Uhm guys, perhaps not be so quick in judgement or thinking someone specific was it?
I died several times on the server, either by bugs or sudden things and traps I did not expect, are you sure it was a DM sploenk? Did try to speak to a DM by the dm channel, normally if no DM is on, it tells you something like "No DM available"
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Post  sploenk on Sat Oct 19, 2013 5:29 pm

i used the dm channel right after death, and I got no "dm is not online message", when i asked again there was...there were no traps, etc, i know the area well. but it's not important i guess, i got what i deserved

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Post  GunpowderHater on Mon Oct 21, 2013 11:30 am

This has happened to me in the past. Something trully weird took place. My char was level five, and I was at the grigs. Suddenly, this level 36 water elemental appears and kills me. Just like that, out of the blue. In an area that's graded for no more than level seven. I found it considerably crass of whoever did it, since it was obviously staff wise, but to this day I know not who did it. I feel this is another one of those cases where someone obviously did something, but refuses to come up with why.

This is actually insulting. We're players, not sheep. If we're doing something wrong, we at least deserve an explanatation. Dohral's not exactly the most obvious server regarding the rules, to the point one could even claim they barely exist. I feel for you, sploenk. I wish you hadn't have to go through this too.

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Really?

Post  Bumlader on Mon Oct 21, 2013 11:36 am

If this isn't some kind of bug and a DM actually did it, then I believe a harsh punishment should be in order. It is despicable that a DM would click kill a player without warning and don't bother raising them. Sploenk I am sorry this has happened to you, you were bored and did something to kill the boring feeling. You shouldn't have been click killed what-so-ever, warning or not. They could port you somewhere else and punish you there but click killing you and as mentioned above, leaving you dead without a raise is pathetic. I hope you get some sort of compensation for this sudden death.
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calm down for a moment

Post  BobbyBrown15 on Mon Oct 21, 2013 12:09 pm

No DM in their right mind should just kill a player unless they are doing something against the 1 major rule we do have, don't exploit it, report it. If we find you exploiting anything and don;t report it you need to accept the punishment we give you, since we are in BETA still this is a crucial step. The grigs is a known exploit spot and has been declared such before, while more confrontal action should be taken, anyone found exploiting the area should still expect retribution from the DMs. This is only an example however, and unrelated to the issue we are currently discussing in this thread, and if a DM was involved they do owe an explanation instead of just click killing, but on the way to the troll area is riddled with wildmagic which can be triggered by the goblins casting magic in the area, and we all know how unpredictable that is, the trolls trigger it as well, so it is more likely wildmagic or a bug/glitch, than a DM click-kill.
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Post  GunpowderHater on Mon Oct 21, 2013 12:34 pm

BobbyBrown15 wrote:No DM in their right mind should just kill a player unless they are doing something against the 1 major rule we do have, don't exploit it, report it. If we find you exploiting anything and don;t report it you need to accept the punishment we give you, since we are in BETA still this is a crucial step. The grigs is a known exploit spot and has been declared such before, while more confrontal action should be taken, anyone found exploiting the area should still expect retribution from the DMs. This is only an example however, and unrelated to the issue we are currently discussing in this thread, and if a DM was involved they do owe an explanation instead of just click killing, but on the way to the troll area is riddled with wildmagic which can be triggered by the goblins casting magic in the area, and we all know how unpredictable that is, the trolls trigger it as well, so it is more likely wildmagic or a bug/glitch, than a DM click-kill.
Known exploitable location to who? There is no such information anywhere. And if it is known, how come it has not been fixed in over four years? All this is no excuse to spawn a level 36 water elemental on a lowbie. Thanks for more or less confirming however, BB, that it indeed was a DM.

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Post  BobbyBrown15 on Mon Oct 21, 2013 12:42 pm

It has been discussed before, however it has not been blocked off, only adjusted, however continuing to exploit it, especially someone who has visited it before, has no excuse. The high spawn count before made it obviously exploitable, however blocking it off would just send the exploiters somewhere else, instead of teaching the players not to exploit. If you wish to discuss this further i would be willing to take it up in PMs, but its not the point of this discussion.
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Post  GunpowderHater on Mon Oct 21, 2013 12:45 pm

Oh but it is the point. If it's exploitable, you fix it, you don't just leave it there as is for bait. Folks have been going there far as I know for ages and I'm the first to be told it's an exploit. if spawns come back too quick, you tweak the timer, you don't lead players into thinking everything is right and them Dm kill them with either npcs or a kill switch. This applies to both me and Sploenk.

That's plain wrong.

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Post  Bumlader on Mon Oct 21, 2013 12:48 pm

BobbyBrown15 wrote:If we find you exploiting anything and don;t report it you need to accept the punishment we give you, since we are in BETA still this is a crucial step.
^ Dead wrong. I would never accept a punishment a DM gave me that revolves around click killings unless I have been warned. On the server I was an admin on I specifically made rules for the DM's that revolved around punishments on players.

1st offence is warning
2nd is a warning and 500 EXP loss
3rd is a click kill and a boot..
4th is ban

Otherwise I would never accept a punishment that revolves around click killing me. Again, may I remind you, we are players and personally I would rather negotiate than getting click killed. Unless you warned me or if I insulted you in front of a player, click killing isn't an answer. Disagree? I don't honestly care if you disagree with me, this is wrong. If a players exploiting something you don't click kill them and if you do end up doing that, they shouldn't accept the punishment, simple as that.
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Post  BobbyBrown15 on Mon Oct 21, 2013 1:12 pm

Bumlader, the punishment is based on the DMs perception of how bad it was, such as the DM knowing of how much the player is exploiting, and how obvious the exploit was, there are examples i could state but that would only give people a avenue to know how to exploit, if you wish i can tell you within a PM, but i will not state any here. Normally we would start with a warning, but if the player is known for exploiting, or has exploited something enough, we have to reprimand them, and the usual exploiting we do deal with is severe. Especially if instead of reporting it they continue to abuse it. However a DM click kill is never one of these, as its a temporary thing that makes no sense to do, the only thing they really lose is 1 or two soul runes. The punishments are more long term, a DM click kill is not a acceptable punishment in any case.
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Post  Valerion on Tue Oct 22, 2013 5:51 am

Btw, how does one know it is a level 36 elemental and 2, I have met such elemental there already several times when I came through, and that in times no DM was on, it just does not always directly or obviously spawn, was suprised by it several times.

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